Debate: Do Muslims Worship a Stone? Let’s Examine the Evidence

Muslim Claim:

“No Muslim worships a stone. The Black Stone in Mecca is just a symbolic object we honor because the Prophet Muhammad did it. It holds no power.”

Christian Response:
But let’s look carefully at your own sources. In Sahih Bukhari Book 64, Hadith 4376-4377, it says:

“The people of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance used to worship stones, and whenever they found a better stone than the one they had, they would throw the former and take the latter.”

Interestingly, that culture of stone veneration never completely ended. It was carried into Islam through the Black Stone ritual in Mecca.

Even your second Caliph, Umar ibn Al-Khattab, admitted this openly in Sahih Bukhari 1597:

“By Allah, I know you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet kissing you, I would not have kissed you.”

So if the stone can neither help nor harm, why the act of kissing it in a religious pilgrimage? That is ritualistic veneration — exactly what biblical Scripture defines as idolatry.

Biblical Warning:
The Bible is explicit about such acts:

“Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves… I am the Lord your God.” — Leviticus 26:1

Christian Position:
Whether symbolic or not, attributing religious significance to a stone, especially one kissed and touched by millions during a pilgrimage, is a clear act of idolatry according to biblical standards. God seeks worship in spirit and truth — not through objects.

Final Challenge:
If Muslims claim Islam is free from idolatry, then why preserve this stone-kissing ritual condemned by your own early leaders as powerless? Why hold onto a practice rooted in pre-Islamic paganism? It contradicts both reason and the very warnings your scripture gives against shirk (associating anything with God).

The truth remains — salvation and worship belong to Jesus Christ alone, not through stones, rituals, or manmade customs.

“You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve.” — Matthew 4:10

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Are Muslims Worshiping a Stone? Let’s See What Their Own Books Say

Are Muslims Worshiping a Stone? Let’s See What Their Own Books Say

Many Muslims argue they don’t worship idols, yet their most authentic collections of Hadith tell a different story. Let’s examine Sahih al-Bukhari 4376 and 4377 (Book 64, Hadith 401) and see what it reveals:

Sahih al-Bukhari 4376-4377:
“Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi: We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first, we would throw the first one and take the latter. But if we could not get a stone, then we would collect some earth (soil), then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform Tawaf around it…”

Yes, you read that right. Before Muhammad’s prophethood, the Arabs, including future Muslims, worshiped stones — and when a better-looking stone came along, they’d swap the old one for the new. This is important because, even after Islam officially rejected idols, a piece of that stone-worshiping tradition remains to this day in the form of the Black Stone (Al-Hajar Al-Aswad) in the Kaaba at Mecca.

Even the 2nd Caliph, Umar ibn al-Khattab, admitted the Black Stone was powerless:
Sahih al-Bukhari 1597:
“By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen Allah's Messenger kissing you, I would not have kissed you.”

Yet, millions of Muslims still kiss, touch, and point to this stone — a remnant of ancient stone worship now repackaged as a religious ritual.

What does the Bible say about this kind of practice?
God’s Word is clear:

Exodus 20:3-5
"You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything... You shall not bow down to them or worship them."

Leviticus 26:1
"Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the Lord your God."

Acts 17:29
"Therefore, since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill."

A Loving Warning
Dear friends, idolatry in any form — whether it’s a stone, an image, or a relic — separates us from the true and living God. The Bible warns that idolaters will not inherit the Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Salvation is not found in rituals or objects, but in the person of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who alone can save.

Turn from idols to the living God.
Repent and believe in Jesus — the only way to eternal life (John 14:6).

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Why Debating Even the Most Learned Muslims Isn’t a Challenge for a Grounded Christian

Title: Why Debating Even the Most Learned Muslims Isn’t a Challenge for a Grounded Christian

The reality is, debating even the most learned Muslim poses no challenge for a Christian who’s mastered biblical theology, knows the context of Scripture, and is rooted in its historical foundation. The strength of Christianity isn’t in clever arguments but in the revealed, consistent truth of God’s Word, centered on Jesus Christ — the Messiah and God in the flesh.

One of the clearest affirmations of Christ’s divinity is in Revelation 1:7–8, where it declares, “Behold, He is coming with the clouds… ‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God, ‘who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.’” While some argue this refers to God the Father, the context shows it’s Jesus — confirmed in Revelation 1:17–18, where He says, “I died, and behold I am alive forevermore.” God the Father never died. Only Christ, the incarnate Word, could make such a claim.

Revelation consistently applies divine titles to Jesus — “the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last” (Revelation 22:13), and He boldly identifies Himself: “I, Jesus…” (Revelation 22:16). He accepts worship, commands angels, holds authority over death and Hades, and speaks as God. No prophet would ever dare claim this.

Muslims often counter by claiming Jesus never said “I am God, worship me” verbatim. But in a Jewish context, the language of deity wasn’t framed in modern legalistic phrases. Jesus forgave sins (Mark 2:5–7), declared unity with the Father (John 10:30), accepted worship (John 9:38), and claimed titles reserved for God alone. Revelation magnifies this truth, showing Jesus glorified and worshiped alongside the Father.

Muslim apologists also argue the Bible was corrupted. Yet the manuscript tradition of Revelation is remarkably stable, and early Church Fathers — long before Islam — affirmed Christ’s deity from these very passages. The Qur'an arrived centuries later, not to correct Scripture, but to invent a theology contradicting both Old and New Testament revelation.

Scripture confirms itself: Jesus is no mere prophet but “God with us” (Matthew 1:23), the slain Lamb, and the eternal Alpha and Omega.

Shalom,
Dr. Maxwell Shimba
Shimba Theological Institute

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Did Jesus Pray Like Muslims?

Muslims often claim Jesus prayed like they do, pointing to a single verse about prostration. But here’s the truth: prostration was a universal act of reverence, practiced by pagans, Jews, and others long before Islam existed. It’s hardly exclusive.

Nowhere in the Bible does Jesus instruct anyone to pray like Muslims — no specific routine of standing, hand-raising, or repetitive phrases. Instead, Jesus gave a simple, heartfelt prayer in Matthew 6:9-13, starting with “Our Father in heaven.” No rituals, no foreign mantras, and certainly no kissing a black stone.

In fact, the Bible condemns idol worship outright (Exodus 20:4-5). Yet, some still try to link Jesus to practices like circling a stone or ritual submission contests. Truth is, the God of the Bible is a loving Father, not a distant figure demanding ritualistic gestures.

It’s time to stop twisting history. Jesus didn’t pray like Muslims, and pretending otherwise is just another empty claim.

#BiblicalTruth #JesusAndPrayer #StopTheLies

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The Quran: A Reminder, Not a Revelation

Title: The Quran: A Reminder, Not a Revelation

When Muslims claim the Quran is a new, divine message meant to replace or correct the Scriptures of old, they overlook what their own book actually says. The Quran wasn’t meant to bring a superior revelation, but to confirm existing Jewish Scriptures — the Torah, Psalms, and Gospel — which it repeatedly references as truth.

In fact, the Quran calls itself a Reminder and Confirmation. The reason it was revealed wasn’t because the Jewish Scriptures were flawed, but because the Arabians rejected those texts, complaining that God hadn’t sent them a message in their own language. The plea for a prophet “of their kind” is recorded in Quran 2:129, and God’s answer was Muhammad — sent not to create a new faith, but to remind his people of truths already delivered through the Jewish prophets.

The Quran itself admits this repeatedly:

• Quran 5:48 openly says it confirms previous Scriptures.

• Quran 10:94 tells Muhammad to consult Jewish Rabbis if he doubted the revelations.

• Quran 6:89 and 44:32–33 affirm God’s favor on the Jews, entrusting them with the Book, wisdom, and prophethood.

What’s more, the Quran even acknowledges that everything said to Muhammad had already been spoken to the messengers before him (Quran 41:43). It offers no new divine system but recycles earlier messages while rebuking pagan idolatry.

The idea of the Quran correcting or replacing Jewish Scriptures doesn’t hold up when its own text is clear that it only confirms those revelations and warns people in the Arabic tongue. Even the stories within the Quran mirror Jewish narratives, as Quran 12:111 admits.

The reality?
The Quran is a derivative text — not a superior one. It borrows from Jewish tradition and labels itself as a reminder for a resistant people, not as a unique, final Word of God. It neither cancels nor improves upon the Scriptures it confirms.

#ScriptureTruth #BibleAndQuran #FaithMatters #HistoricalFact

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The Illusion of Perfection: Why the Qur’an Fails to Deliver What It Promises

Title: The Illusion of Perfection: Why the Qur’an Fails to Deliver What It Promises

For centuries, the Qur’an has been hailed by Muslims as the most perfect, preserved, and miraculous book in history. It’s praised as the final word from God — flawless, unchanging, and unmatched. But when examined with honest, common sense, this claim falls apart.

The Qur’an offers neither complete narratives nor practical moral lessons that inspire real spiritual or intellectual growth. Most of what Muslims believe and practice actually comes from the Hadith — a vast collection of man-made reports written long after Muhammad’s death. Ironically, the Qur’an claims to confirm earlier scriptures, yet those “confirmed” books have either vanished or been conveniently dismissed as corrupted.

It’s like a gleaming car without an engine: impressive on the outside, but utterly powerless when it comes to moving people forward. For 1,400 years, it has done little to uplift or enlighten its followers.

In stark contrast stands the Bible — the world’s best-selling, most translated, and most studied book. Its wisdom has shaped civilizations, transformed hearts, and outlasted centuries of criticism. Those so-called contradictions critics love to point out? They’re not errors, but deeper mysteries for the sincere seeker.

The hard truth is this: while the Qur’an continues to be revered, it remains spiritually hollow. The time has come for seekers of truth to set aside empty tradition and pick up the one book that truly speaks to the soul — the Bible.

#truth #faith #BiblevsQuran #spiritualgrowth #commontruth

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Debate Post: Moses of the Bible vs. Moses of the Qur’an — Where Did He Meet God?

Debate Post: Moses of the Bible vs. Moses of the Qur’an — Where Did He Meet God?

One of the most fascinating figures shared between the Bible and the Qur’an is Moses (known as Musa in Islam). However, while both scriptures acknowledge his prophetic mission and his encounter with God through a burning bush, there’s a stark difference in the details — especially regarding where this sacred event took place and what happened there.

Let’s lay it out clearly:

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Biblical Account (Exodus 3:1-6):

In the Bible, Moses encounters God at Mount Horeb, often identified as Mount Sinai. The passage reads:

“And the Angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush… And He said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.”
(Exodus 3:2-5 KJV)

Key Facts:

• Location: Mount Horeb / Mount Sinai

• No mention of a valley named Tuwa or Tuha

• The emphasis is on the holiness of the ground at the burning bush, not a specific named valley.

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Qur'anic Account (Surah Taha 20:12-13):

In the Qur'an, the event takes place in a location called “the sacred valley of Tuwa”:

“Indeed, I am your Lord, so take off your sandals. Indeed, you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa. And I have chosen you, so listen to what is revealed [to you].”
(Surah 20:12-13)

Key Facts:

• Location: Valley of Tuwa

• God speaks directly, commanding Moses to remove his sandals

• No burning bush is mentioned in this particular passage

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Debate: Is the Qur'anic Account Historically Accurate?

Christian/Biblical Argument:

• There is no historical or archaeological record of a valley named Tuwa associated with Moses.

• The oldest and most consistent tradition, supported by Jewish, Christian, and early historical texts, places this event at Mount Horeb / Sinai.

• The Qur'anic account appears to retrofit a specific location (Tuwa) not found in earlier scriptures, raising questions about its originality and accuracy.

Muslim Defense:

• Muslims might argue that Tuwa is simply the name of the valley where Mount Sinai is located, and both accounts essentially describe the same event.

• They claim additional details in the Qur’an don’t necessarily contradict but complement earlier revelations.

Counterpoint:

• However, if both refer to the same event, why did the Biblical tradition — the earliest record — omit the name Tuwa?

• Furthermore, the Qur'an lacks the powerful imagery of the burning bush, which has rich symbolic and theological meaning in Judeo-Christian faith.

• This suggests either a loss or alteration of detail in the Islamic retelling, or a later invention of specific place names to create a distinct Islamic narrative.

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Conclusion:

The Biblical account of Moses’ encounter with God remains consistent in its geography and symbolism across centuries of tradition. The Qur'anic introduction of Tuwa lacks corroborating evidence and appears historically unsubstantiated outside Islamic texts.

Final Thought:
Was the Qur'anic mention of Tuwa a legitimate piece of previously lost information — or a narrative adjustment to reshape the Biblical story for a different theology?

What do you think? Share your views below and join the debate.

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Did Prophet Muhammad Pray While Wearing Shoes?

Debate Post: Did Prophet Muhammad Pray While Wearing Shoes? Should Muslims Criticize Christians for Praying with Shoes?

Background:
There’s been controversy in interfaith debates about praying with shoes on. Some Muslims criticize Christians for praying with shoes, claiming it’s disrespectful — yet historical Islamic sources show Prophet Muhammad himself prayed while wearing shoes. So, is this criticism fair?

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CLAIM:

Some Muslims mock Christians, saying it’s wrong to pray with shoes on, while defending their own practices and customs.

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EVIDENCE FROM ISLAMIC SOURCES:

Let’s examine what Islamic texts say about praying with shoes:

Book: Al-Ulu wal-Marjan page 179
Chapter: Permission to Pray with Shoes
Hadith 325:
Anas bin Malik (RA) narrated from Said bin Yazid Al-Azid (RA):

I asked Anas bin Malik, “Did the Prophet (SAW) pray while wearing his shoes?”
He replied, “Yes.” (Bukhari Hadith No. 383, Volume 1)

Another Source: Tafsir Bulugh al-Maram min Jam’i Adillat al-Ahkam
Page: 101, Hadith No. 171
Abu Said (RA) narrated:

The Prophet (SAW) said: “When any one of you goes to the mosque, he should look at his shoes; if he sees filth or impurity on them, he should clean them by rubbing them against the ground, then he may pray in them.”
(Abu Dawud, Ibn Khuzaymah graded it as Sahih)

Additional Hadith:
The Prophet reportedly said:

“Whoever finds a scorpion while praying should kill it with his left shoe.”
(As narrated in Mkweli Mwaminifu, Vol. 1-2, Hadith No. 188, p. 88)

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ARGUMENT FOR CHRISTIANS (AND RATIONALITY):

If Prophet Muhammad prayed in his shoes and even instructed Muslims to pray with shoes after checking for filth, then it’s unreasonable for Muslims to criticize Christians who may pray with shoes, especially in open or outdoor settings.
The logic here is simple: either praying with shoes is acceptable (as demonstrated by Prophet Muhammad himself) or it’s not — and if it was acceptable for Muhammad, then using it as an insult against Christians makes no sense.

Also — Muhammad encouraged killing a scorpion with a shoe during prayer. How could you do this if shoes are not worn in prayer?

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COUNTER-ARGUMENT FROM SOME MUSLIMS:

Some modern Muslims might argue that this was allowed in the early days of Islam when mosques were built on dirt floors, and it made sense practically. Today’s carpeted mosques maintain different hygiene standards, and shoes are left outside for cleanliness.

Response:
If this is a matter of cultural or environmental change, then it's fair for Christians, or any other faith, to adapt their prayer settings as appropriate to their culture and worship spaces without condemnation. It should not be a theological attack.

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CONCLUSION:

This debate highlights a double standard in some interfaith polemics. If historical Islamic practice permitted praying with shoes, modern criticism of Christians for similar practices is misplaced. What matters is the heart’s sincerity in worship, not footwear.

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Question to readers:
Do you think religious practices should evolve with context, or should they strictly follow their origins?

Drop your thoughts in the comments. Let’s debate it openly and respectfully.

#InterfaithDialogue #ReligiousDebate #ChristianityVsIslam #Muhammad #HadithTruth #PrayerTraditions #DebatePost

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#MUSLIMS CLAIM THAT THE CHRISTIAN GOD IS A HARLOT ACCORDING TO ISAIAH 23:17

But are these Muslim claims true?

MUSLIMS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SCRIPTURES

As is often the case, Muslims continue to be deceived by their teachers and comfort themselves with the belief that they are on the path of salvation, insisting that the Bible is not the Word of God and only the Qur’an is.

One of the most blatant and misleading claims involves a passage in the book of Isaiah. These verses say:

"At the end of seventy years, Tyre will happen to be like the song of a prostitute: Take a harp, walk through the city, you forgotten harlot; play skillfully, sing many songs, so you will be remembered again. And it shall come to pass at the end of seventy years, that the LORD will visit Tyre, and she will return to her hire, and commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world upon the face of the earth." — Isaiah 23:15b-17

Muslims cling tightly to this scripture, mockingly saying, “See you Christians? Your God is a harlot. What kind of God is this to follow? Come to Allah.”

For careless Christians, scriptures like this can completely confuse them, making them think Christianity is a false religion — to the point some abandon their faith and convert to Islam, not realizing they are leaving eternal life for spiritual death.

This kind of false teaching is widespread among Muslims, spread through the internet, public debates, books, and other platforms. There are hundreds of Bible verses they have misrepresented and use to try and draw people away from the New Jerusalem. Have you fallen for one of these deceptions?

Historical Context:
After Babylon fell in 539 B.C., Phoenicia became a colony under the Medo-Persian Empire. The Persian ruler Cyrus the Great granted more freedom. Under this new administration, Tyre would attempt to revive its old trade business and reputation, much like a forgotten harlot walking the streets, playing a harp, and singing to attract new clients.

Would Tyre succeed? Yes — God would allow it. In time, the city would become so prosperous that by the end of the 6th century B.C., the prophet Zechariah would declare: “Tyre has built herself a stronghold; she has heaped up silver like dust, and gold like the mud of the streets.” — Zechariah 9:3

KEY QUOTE FROM ISAIAH 23:17:
"At the end of seventy years, the LORD will deal with Tyre. She will return to her hire as a prostitute and will ply her trade with all the kingdoms on the face of the earth."

When reading these verses quickly, it might seem like the words "He" and "will commit prostitution" refer to the LORD — but that is a misunderstanding. The subject is Tyre, not God.

In short: Muslims misinterpret this passage and others out of context. It speaks of a city, not of God. Claiming otherwise only exposes their poor grasp of scripture.

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Does the Sun Set in a Murky Pool in the Qur'an (18:86)?

Debate Topic: Does the Sun Set in a Murky Pool in the Qur'an (18:86)?

Position A: Yes, the Qur'an Literally Says It

Those who read Qur'an 18:86 plainly argue it clearly states that Dhul-Qarnayn reached the place where the sun "set in a muddy spring." The Arabic phrase مغرب الشمس (Maghriba al-shamsi) describes an actual, visible event. Early Islamic commentators like Ibn Kathir and Al-Tabari also took this literally — suggesting the sun appears to set into a muddy or murky body of water at the earth’s edge. Critics claim this reflects ancient, pre-scientific cosmology, proving the Qur'an's human origin and lack of divine knowledge.

Position B: No, It’s Just a Figure of Speech

Defenders of the Qur'an argue the verse is metaphorical — it’s describing what it appeared like to Dhul-Qarnayn. They claim the language reflects his perspective, not physical reality. In this view, just like saying “the sun rises” or “the sun sets” in modern speech, it describes an observation, not a literal event. They accuse critics of ignoring Arabic idiomatic expression and missing deeper spiritual meanings in the passage.

Question for the Audience:
Was the Qur'an describing physical cosmology, or was it using figurative language to capture human perspective? And if it's figurative, why did early Muslim scholars take it literally for centuries?

Your Thoughts? Drop your comments below and join the debate!

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